トニー・アボット豪首相による日本軍の誇り賞賛に応える

  • 2014.07.23 Wednesday
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7月8日、安倍首相が訪問した先のオーストラリア議会にてトニー・アボット首相が安倍首相を迎える演説を行った。 その中の一節が物議を呼んでいる。

 

“We admired the skill and the sense of honour that they brought to their task although we disagreed with what they did. Perhaps we grasped, even then, that with a change of heart the fiercest of opponents could be the best of friends”

 

「我々は、彼ら日本軍の行為には反対したものの、彼らが任務遂行に際して示した技術と誇りを賞賛した。 恐らくは、あのようなときにおいても、最大の敵も心変われば最大の友人となりえることを、我々は理解したのであろう」

 

アボット首相のこのコメントに対し、オーストラリア内外から右からも左からも非難の声が上がっている。 左は放っておくとして、問題は右である。

 

ジャーナリズムに新風を吹き込んだものの43歳の若さでこの世を去った保守の英雄、アンドリュー・ブライトバートが立ち上げたニュースサイト、Breitbart Newsにて、早速この発言をなじるコラムが掲載された。

 

記事を書いたJarrett Stepmanはイの一番に中国の反応を挙げ、このように書いている。 

 

「この発言は中国から即座に非難を浴びた。 中国外交部のホン・レイは言う。 『日本のファシストの侵略者は非常に残虐で、中国ならびに多くの国々に筆舌に尽くしがたい苦しみを与えた』と。 一体アボット首相は非道な日本軍によって虐待され惨殺された連合軍捕虜の苦しみを難だと思っているのか。 日本軍の酷さはナチス・ドイツの比ではなかった。 日本との友好は良いが、犠牲者の心証も配慮すべきだ」

 

英語圏の保守層に読まれているこのニュースサイトのこの記事のコメント欄には早速以下のような内容のコメントが並んだ。

 

女性を強制連行して性奴隷にし、それを慰安婦と呼ぶのがジャップの「栄誉」だ。 無抵抗で罪の無い非武装の男性、女性、子供を銃剣で突き殺すのがジャップの「スキル」だ。 奴らのPOW(戦争捕虜)の扱いの酷さは言語道断だ。 こんな奴らを褒めるアボットはバカだ。

 

『日本人は今はおとなしいふりをしているが、その実、やつらの数世代前は凶暴なサルだったのだ。 その凶暴なサルも我々が余計な情けをかけずに大都市を焼夷弾で焼き払い、広島・長崎をニュークして(原爆を落として)ようやっとおとなしくなったのだ。 中国の脅威があるから、奴らにもちょっとは武器を与えてやらねばならないが、奴らがもともとは理性というものを持たない獰猛なサルであることは忘れてはならない』

 

残念ながら、これがいまだにアメリカの保守の多くが抱く日本人像である。 それ以外では非常に開明的で正しいことを言うデニス・プレーガーやマーク・レビンといった人々も大方同じである。 それは非常に残念なことであると同時に我々の恥である。

 

彼らに対する恥ではない。 我々の先人に対する恥だと言っているのである。 彼らアメリカの保守は我々日本の保守と基本的な考え方を同じくする同志である。 彼らの精神性も行動も、同じアメリカ人のリベラルよりも、よほど我々に近いと考えて間違いない。

 

「来たときよりも、きれいにして帰りましょう」


どこかで聞いたような言葉ではないか。 アメリカ、ティーパーティーの集会ではこれが実践されている。 リベラルが賞賛した「占拠せよ!」運動はどうだったか。 ゴミは散らかすは、大小便は垂れ流すは、器物破壊はするは、まるでサルである(レイプも多発)。

 

私は彼らコメント主全員に対し、日本側の立場を正当化する主張を行った。 日米戦争に始まる連合国との戦争は日本が仕掛けたものではなく、スターリンの謀略によってアメリカが始めたものであったこと。 当時のアメリカ政府へのソ連の影響力の浸透は疑うべくもないこと。 日本が1930年代にいきなり中国を侵略したのではなく、日清・日露戦争にまで遡る権益の保護、そして共産主義の拡大防止という側面があったこと。 従軍慰安婦は連合国も利用したもので、強制ではなかったということ。 当時の日本軍の軍律は世界最高水準であり、日英同盟が締結されたのはまさにそれがきっかけであったこと。 日本軍が非道だったのではなく、戦争とは非情なビジネスであるということ。 一旦戦争が始まったら勝つために何でもアリなこと。 そのためには原爆もアリであり、日本は謝罪など求めておらず、我々も謝罪などする意思は一切ないこと。 今、我々は友人であり、ロシア、中国といった脅威に対して手を取り合って対抗していかなければならないこと。

 

時には単刀直入に事実をぶつけ、 時には歴史的背景を淡々と説明し、時には相手の懐に入り...

 

彼らも戦勝国の人間として、「そうだったんですか。 それは知りませんでした。 悪かったです」とは口が裂けても言わない。 こちらが「お前、議論に負けてるだろ。 素直に認めろ」と言っても絶対に認めない。 そこまではこちらも求めることは無い。 自国には自国の歴史がある。 自分は自国の歴史を守らなければならない。 それでよいのである。 8割がたの同意に到達すれば。

 

結果として、彼らコメント主の数名とは8割の合意に達することが出来た。 中には分からず屋もいる。 中には何も応えない者もいる。 恐らく彼らは今までこのような反応を受けたことがなかったはずであり、知らなかった、あるいは認めたくなかった事実を突きつけられ、逡巡したはずである。 彼らの言葉たらずな反応を見ればそれは一目瞭然である。

 

これは非常に大きな教訓である。 日本人が、日本の歴史の正当性を、全世界に向けて大声で主張すれば、我々の友人である保守派はそれを渋々ながらもキャッチするのである。 そして、私がブライトバートのコメント欄で交わしたようなやりとりを通じて、我々は友人を得ることが出来るのである。

 

今の我々の生活があるのは、ひとえに、先の大戦で体を張って戦った我々の先人のお陰である。 彼らと違って、我々は命をかける必要もなく、かすり傷一つ追うこともない。 せめて我々にできるのは彼らの築いた歴史を磨き上げることである。

 

以下、ブライトバートニュース上の論争である。 緑の部分が「8割の合意」である。

 

 

JR1984  • 5 days ago 

There is no "HONOR" in forcing women into prostitution, and calling them comfort women. The is no "SKILL" required in bayoneting helpless and unarmed men, women, and children. Leftist tend to lookover, and or ignore historical atrocities they agree with. Nothing can justify how they treated the POW's from the US, the UK, Australia, and anyone else they captured.

 

CBJapan > JR1984  • 5 days ago 

You gotta read this, pal. http://conservative.jugem.jp/?eid=409

 

 

 

CBJapan  • 5 days ago 

I praise Mr. Abbott for the comment as a Japanese. We have to get over the history and look to the future. Dear fellow Australians. It is about time that you get over it. You may not forget it. But, you can get over it, just as we got over Hirosihma and Nagasaki. You can do it, and we will be friends.

 

John Gerhard > CBJapan  • 5 days ago 

That generation of Japanese DESERVED Hiroshima and Nagasaki!! After what they did to China, Korea, the Philippines, East Asia, Indonesia. Get over it??? Like we have to apologize for defending ourselves after Pearl Harbor, the Bataan death march, tortures of helpless prisoners and civilians, mass rape and murder?? Fire bombings were divine justice, unlike your divine wind. Only because God is merciful, and Americans are merciful, did any of those criminals survive. Every single Japanese supported the war once it got underway. There were no peace marches in front of the emperor's palace. God literally rained fire from the sky upon that evil generation. I do look to the future, and do not blame a single Japanese citizen born after 1945 for any of the previous generations horrific crimes. But the future is always attached to the past and present. You must come to grips with the fact that you are the children and grandchildren of mass murders and sadists. Better check the family tree and see what kind of fruits are falling from the tree.

 

CBJapan > John Gerhard  • 5 days ago 

What do you want me to do? Simply? What? Make clear EXACTLY what you guys want us to do.

 

CBJapan > John Gerhard  • 5 days ago 

You don't like "get over it"? Then, I would tell you "learn from it". Here is what you have to learn. This is the true history. http://conservative.jugem.jp/?...... Mass murder? You gotta be kidding me. Have you ever ONCE criticized the real mass killing by King Leopold II of Belgium killing 8 MILLIONS in Kongo?

 

 

 

John Gerhard > RegularRon  • 5 days ago 

Yeah, total honor: mass murder, sadistic medical experiments, attempted extermination of the Chinese, enslavement of the Koreans, torture and torment of POW's and civilians, racist fury to eliminate or enslave everyone not Japanese. What the hell definition of 'honor' do you use??  Go talk to the Commies of the USSR about atrocities, not us. In any case, the Germans got paid back in spades for all they did in Europe and to the Jews. At least some Germans worked against Hitler. How many Japs worked against the emperor.

 

Japan in WW2 didn't fight for something above them, they fought for something below them: Satan and Hell itself. So God measured to them the measure they gave to Asia: fire and destruction coming on the wings of the US airforce.  If it weren't for American mercy, Japan and Europe would still be a burned out wreck like the old Soviet Union still is to this day.  Honor my ass. Ain't tough to be holier than Tojo and Hitler you fascist sycophant.

 

CBJapan > John Gerhard  • 5 days ago 

Hey Pal. FDR REJECTED Jews who sought help. Tojo HELPED Jews. Read this here http://conservative.jugem.jp/?eid=403

 

 

 

CBJapan  • 5 days ago 

Mr. Stepman. "Japan was worse than Nazi Germany"? Then, tell me please. What exactly did Australia do during Holocaust to save Jews? If you are troubled in finding an answer, please read this and find out what we Japan did to save the Jews during that time when all the other nations turned their backs on the Jews. http://conservative.jugem.jp/?eid=403... Thank me very much for giving knowldge to everybody.

 

Jim Sweet > CBJapan  • 5 days ago 

"What exactly did Australia do during Holocaust to save Jews?" - From literally the other side of the planet? Dumb questions deserve no answers. Propagandists like you deserve no respect.

 

CBJapan > Jim Sweet  • 5 days ago 

Oh yeah? Japan saved Jews literally from the other side of the planet. And what you said about Australia? You gotta read this one http://guides.naa.gov.au/safe-haven/chapter8/australian-responses.aspx.... "Australia's record leaves much to be desired"

 

 

 

CBJapan  • 5 days ago 

Prime Minister Abbott is conservtive. I am conservative. This is how conservatives become friends by overcoming history.

 

 

 

tenndoug911  • 5 days ago 

Freaking politician needs to experience Japanese honor displayed during the Second World War first hand. Treat him to the Japanese Bushido code of one who is captured or surrenders and work/starve his sorry butt to death.

 

CBJapan > tenndoug911  • 5 days ago 

Get the chip off your shoulder. You never know what happend. Both sides suffered. Get over it. By the way, you now Allen West? He is a great conservative and understands what Bushido means. http://www.amazon.com/Guardian-Republic-American-Journey-Freedom-ebook/dp/B00FO60EO2

 

 

 

Austexchili  • 5 days ago 

The New Revisionism now states that it was the West, specifically, the United States, who conducted a racist war against Japan (Listen to Tom Hanks' statements regarding his show THE PACIFIC.) It also says that most of the battles fought in the Pacific were un-neccesary, and the reason they were such great bloodbaths was the American lack of understanding of Japanese culture. And of course, don't get them started on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. (I do agree that Pelilu was unneccesary, but Tarawa and Iwo Jima were not.)  I lived in Japan for two years. They can be the nicest, most polite people you ever want to meet. But they thought then and they still do, that they are the master race. Plus, then (and possibly still now) they were not teaching their kids about Nanking, the Chinese slaughter in Singapore. The Death Railway, Bataan, etc.

 

CBJapan > Austexchili  • 5 days ago 

Pal, I wrote this piece and you gotta read this and learn how the Nanjing Massacre was a pure fake http://conservative.jugem.jp/?eid=403   No, our school teaches our kids about fake Nanjing story too much and I am working on detoxicating them from the lies.

 

 

 

John Gerhard  • 5 days ago 

They committed mass murder!!!!!!! Rape, pillage, plunder, torture, sadistic medical experiments, forced prostitution!! What honor and skill does barbarism require??? For God's sake, man, get a grip!!

 

CBJapan > John Gerhard  • 5 days ago 

Hey hey hey, calm down, pal. I am the Japanese that you are talking about. I wrote this wonderful piece and you gotta read it. Forced Prostitution? http://conservative.jugem.jp/?eid=409 ... You will be stunned.

 

 

 

dhd123  • 5 days ago 

Anthony John "Tony" Abbott is the 28th and current Prime Minister of Australia. He has held the position since 2013, and has been the Leader of the Liberal Party since 2009.

Born: November 4, 1957 (age 56), London, United Kingdom

Nothing to see here, he is just another liberal history revisionist who was born after WW 2

 

CBJapan > dhd123  • 5 days ago 

Wrong history needs to be "revised". Here is the right history. http://conservative.jugem.jp/?eid=84  ... written by me. Thank me very much.

 

dhd123 > CBJapan  • 5 days ago 

Then how come the Japanese government has admitted to the acts of killing of a large number of non-combatants, looting, and other violence committed by the Imperial Japanese Army after the fall of Nanking?

 

How come Japanese veterans who served in Nanking at that time have confirmed that a massacre took place?

 

A small but vocal minority within both the Japanese government and society have argued that the death toll was military in nature and that no such crimes ever occurred. Denial of the massacre (and a divergent array of revisionist accounts of the killings) has become a staple of Japanese nationalism

 

Your illegitimate distortion of the historical record shows that you are a follower of negationism.

 

Practical examples of negationism (illegitimate historical revisionism) include Holocaust denial.

 

CBJapan > dhd123  • 5 days ago 

How come our government admitted? Because they are sell-out. Japanese veterans rejected it. Nobody saw it. What they saw was peace and tranquility. TELL ME then. Why the fake photos? Why fake them, if that was what really happened? You know what? It was fake.

 

CKAinRedStateUSA > CBJapan  • 5 days ago 

You are a Holocaust denier. Your remarks are absurd, bordering on the deranged.

 

But you do seem to fit the Japanese delusion that prevents a real apology ever being given for the Nanking Massacre.

 

To reply further is senseless. Good-bye.

 

CBJapan > CKAinRedStateUSA  • 5 days ago 

Holocaust denier? You don't know what it is. I will educate you here. You are the one who denies it and here is why  http://conservative.jugem.jp/?eid=123 ... .

 

chelmer > CBJapan  • 5 days ago 

only on the internet Dude. Millions upon millions of people experienced Japanese savagery personally, themselves, from China to the South Pacific. You are trying to deny the collective experience of a third of the world's population. Good luck with that.

 

CBJapan > chelmer  • 3 days ago 

Oh yeah? Then, why is it that Asians like us?

 

 

chelmer > CBJapan  • 3 days ago 

I happen to like the Japanese myself. But Japanese depravity during WWII is not a matter for dispute. You're just reminding us that Japanese re-entry militarily on the world stage--which I happen to regard as inevitable and necessary--will probably come at a cost. But China has to be contained, and without Japanese involvement, that will be impossible. The US needs Japan more than Japan needs the US.

 

CBJapan > chelmer  • 2 days ago 

Well, thank you for liking us and we came to 80% of an agreement, which I would have to say good enough. I not only like America, I also believe in American exceptionalism. America is the only countries in the world that is based on ideals of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

 

And yes, it is not a matter of dispute.... that we were the BEST in terms of military conduct during the war which has been abundantly chronicled and which was EXACTLY why the Brittish Empire decided to enter into an alliance with us in 1902, observing our superb actions in CHINA (people don't change over night. We were the way we were in 1900s, 1910s, 1920s, 1930s and 1940s like the way we are in 2010s).

 

And yes, China is one of the biggest threat and we have to destroy it. To do this, the US and Japan work together.

 

 

 


CBJapan  • 5 days ago 

In the big picture, US and Brits allied with Soviet Union, thereby enabling the rise of Soviet Communist Machine, killing 100 millions of people. Nazi Germany killed 6 million Jews on whom US, Brits and everybody except for Japan turned their collective cold backs. So, tell me. Which was worse? And why?

 

dhd123 > CBJapan  • 5 days ago 

On May 13, 1939, the German transatlantic liner St. Louis sailed from Hamburg, Germany, for Havana, Cuba. On the voyage were 938 passengers.

 

Almost all were Jews fleeing from the Third Reich. Most were German citizens, some were from Eastern Europe, and a few were officially "stateless."

 

Cuba, Canada and yes the U.S. turned them away and sent them back where a lot of them died in concentration camps. It is our history and it is despicable but we own it.

 

Atrocities are atrocities, one is no better or worse than the other, they are all despicable. Those who fail to acknowledge history are doomed to repeat it. The point is, one must except their history so they can learn from it. Alas, there are many people in the world who don't know their history or refuse to acknowledge it, then some things happen over and over again. American voters are a prime example of this and is the reason why my country is in dire straights today.

 

CBJapan > dhd123  • 5 days ago 

It is our Hideki TOJO who decided we had to save Jews as a national policy. So, you guys better stop saying "those evil Hilter, TOJO and Mussolini!!"

 

dhd123 > CBJapan  • 5 days ago 

Hideki Tōjō (Kyūjitai: 東條 英機; Shinjitai: 東条 英機; Tōjō Hideki (help·info)) (December 30, 1884 – December 23, 1948) was ageneral of the Imperial Japanese Army (IJA), the leader of the Imperial Rule Assistance Association, and the 40th Prime Minister of Japan during most of World War II, from October 17, 1941 to July 22, 1944. As Prime Minister, he was directly responsible for the attack on Pearl Harbor, which initiated war between Japan and the United States, although planning for it had begun before he entered office. After the end of the war, Tōjō was arrested, sentenced to death for Japanese war crimes by the International Military Tribunal for the Far East, and was hanged on December 23, 1948.

 

CBJapan > dhd123  • 4 days ago  

Is that you saying it or Wikipedia saying it? What is the POINT? You ever heard of "Operation Snow", "Hiss Case" and "Venona File"? Maybe not. Here is my education to you. Learn how we, under the leadership of TOJO, saved tens of thousands of Jews while cold-blooded liberal commy FDR turned his cold blooded back on them on MS St. Louis. http://conservative.jugem.jp/?eid=403   ...

 

dhd123 > CBJapan  • 4 days ago 

The fact that Tojo was tried, convicted and executed by the international community. We defeated Germany and liberated the extermination camps due to FDR's due diligence.

 

CBJapan > dhd123  • 4 days ago 

The fact is Macarthur testified in the Senate Commttee in 1951 that Japan fought for the defense of the nation.

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Senator HICKENLOOPER. Question No.5: Isn't your proposal for sea and air blockade of Red China the same strategy by which Americans achieved victory over the Japanese in the

Pacific?

 

General MACARTHUR. Yes, sir. In the Pacific we bypassed them. We closed in. You must understand that Japan had an enormous population of nearly 80 million people crowded into 4 islands. It was about half a farm population. The other half was engaged in industry.Potentially the labor pool in Japan, both in quantity and quality, is as good as anything that I have ever known. Some place down the line they have discovered what you might call the dignity of labor, that men are happier when they are working and constructing than when they are idling.This enormous capacity for work meant that they had to have something to work on. They built the factories, they had the labor, but they didn't have the basic materials.There is practically nothing indigenous to Japan except the silkworm.They lack cotton, they lack wool, they lack petroleum products, they lack tin, they lack rubber, they lack a great many other things, all which was in the Asiatic basin.They feared that if those supplies were cut off, there would be 10 to 12 million people unoccupied in Japan.Their purpose, therefore, in going to war was largely dictated by security.

Original Document  http://www.sankei.com/seiron/maca/2003/maca/10/MacArthur1.html

 

dhd123 > CBJapan  • 3 days ago 

Japan invaded China for no other reason than to expand their territory and seize the natural resources. They were sanctioned by the league of nations for it and they did not like that. The U.S. put a trade embargo on Japan, that ticked them off and they pulled that sneak attack on Pearl Harbor. We did not attack Japan, they attacked us and ya got your butts whipped. The moral of the story is to not wake the sleeping giant.My Dad was being trained for the invasion of Japan, thank goodness for the atomic bomb, It saved a lot of lives on both sides.

 

CBJapan > dhd123  • 3 days ago 

From the kindness of my bottomless heart, I will give you another history lesson for which you would otherwise have to pay more than $100,000.

 

Since the end of the Edo period, our country was exposed to the threat from outside enemy and we needed to fight to maintain our independence. Korean peninsula was positioned geographically like a dagger to our throat. We needed strong, stable and independent Korea to maintain our national security. But, due partly to Korea's weakness , Korea was seriously threatened by China's expansionism, thereby endangering our country. That was why we needed to fight China in 1894. Then again, Korea was threatened by Russia, and Japan needed to chase off Russia from Korea (Japan-Russo war in 1905). After the war, with all our sacrifices, Korea hadn't been able to stable themselves. So, with their invitation, we annexed Korea and applied our sovereignty to the peninsula.

 

Meanwhile, Russia was overtaken by Communist revolution in 1917, and the newly established Soviet Union began to expand its influence by sending Borodin to Sun Yat-Sen in China. Borodin lead the red movement in the Nationalist Party. In 1924, Borodin established Huangpu Military School and Chiang Kai Shek became the first headmaster. Nationalist and Communist united together in one time and fought each other in another time. The Communists were brutally beaten up in Shanghai Massacre in 1927, but kept its existence in low profile. The two factions formed United Front two times (1924 and 1937).

 

In northern China, there was countless terrorism by thugs and communists against Japanese troops and civilians. In 1931, we countered those subversive activities militarily and helped the establishment of Manchukuo. We did not "invade" China out of the blue. Our nationals were living or stationing in northern China legitimately due to our victory in the Japan-Russo war. Manchukuo was a country of the Manchu people (as opposed to Han people of China) established on the land of Manchuria. Soon after the situation was stabilized, we invited Pu Yi to become the Emperor. The economy boomed and population grew until our defeat in 1945.

 

As the peace prevailed in Manchuria, terrorism persisted in China - Tongzhou Incident in July 1937 and Shanghai Incident in August 1937. In Tongzhou, 230 of the Japanese including civilians are slaughtered in the most gruesome ways by Chinese soldiers and thugs. We fought back against those adversaries and in December 1937, we conquered Nanjing City. During the fight, Chiang Kai Shek's fascist thugs did everything they could to destroy the city, looting and burning homes (that was later attributed to us and called "Nanjing Massacre").

 

Stalin feared our military presence in Manchuria that shared border with Soviet Union. We Japan feared Communism as well and fought them. We were Stalin's enemy number one. Stalin ordered Communists and fellow travelers all around the world to influence the US government into stopping iron and oil

supply to Japan. That was where embedded communist Harry White (http://bit.ly/1jICUe4) was assigned to work in the Operation Snow by the order of Vitaly Pavlov as described here; http://bit.ly/1mqs8Eb

 

Japan came under ABCD economic siege (by America, British, China, Dutch). We were desperate in securing lifeline. Securing Manchuria as a pro-Japan independent nation and advancing to Indochina were the results of our concern. On the other hand, we were trying desperately to find a common ground with the Roosevelt Administration, offering our good will gestures.

 

Harry White of the Treasury wrote Cordell Hull’s "proposal" (Hull Note) to Japan. It was a de facto ultimatum. It demanded that Japan withdraw from China and Indochina all forces immediately and accept the Nationalist Party Government who was at war against us as the sole power in China and so on without giving any promise to lift the economic sanctions.

 

No nation could take such a forced suicide and we rejected it. We decided we had to break through the impasse by force and crush the FDR administration's maneuver to keep the economic siege on us. We attacked Pearl Harbor and the rest is everybody to know. US and Japan went into the tragic war. That was exactly what Stalin wanted to happen and that was what he worked out through various “influences”.

 

Got it? The history is more complex than you think, pal. Thank me very much for such an important lecture to the world.

 

dhd123 > CBJapan  • 3 days ago 

How many bombs did China drop on Japan? How many bombs did Japan drop on china? If Japan would have stayed home, they would not have had people killed in uprisings in China. Japan couldn't do that because it needed China's natural resources to feed it's war machine.

 

CBJapan > dhd123  • 3 days ago 

Your argument is exactly the same as left wing Anti-Vietnam War movement in 1960s and 70s - "How many bombs did Vietnam drop on the US? How many bombs did the US drop on Vietnam? If the US would have stayed home, Vietnamese would not have killed ANYBODY in Vietnam".

 

You know what? You go OUT and fight THERE rather than you stay HOME and see your people get killed at HOME. That is why we went out THERE in China. Got it?

 

You didn't read my history lesson, did you? I knew it was too tough for the mental midget like you.

 

But I would recommend reading "An American Amnesia: How the US Congress Forced the Surrenders of South Vietnam and Cambodia" by Bruce Herschensohn. You will learn how the history is revised just like ours by the mental midgets of the world like you. Thank me very much for the wisdom.

 

dhd123 > CBJapan  • 3 days ago 

Our alliance with the French is what got us into Vietnam, democratic stupidity escalated it, lacking the will to win caused the politicians to lose it. I read your blather and it just makes more excuses for what your country did. The maximum effective range of an excuse is ZERO.

 

CBJapan > dhd123  • 3 days ago 

You have lost your argument, haven't you? You are not answering me at all.

 

Hey pal, how many bombs did Korea drop on the US? Why did the US went to war in Korea? How many Koreans did the US killed? Communist threat? Well, well, well, you said yourelf, that's an EXCUSE and the maximum effective range of an excuse is ZERO. I will give you another lesson here:

 

"In March 1951, a UN operation recaptured Seoul. In April, General MacArthur, disagreeing with President Truman's concept of limited war, suggested publicly a massive nuclear bombardment of the whole of northern China and was sacked by President Truman"

http://www.conservapedia.com/Korean_War

 

That's how the US did not win. But, what is more important is, MacArthur himself, being now in Japan, looking towards Asia, UNDERSTOOD what we were up to during 20s and 30s and early 40s, because he tried to do EXACTLY the same thing that we did. Got it, pal? Thank me again for the important lesson.

 

dhd123 > CBJapan  • 2 days ago 

"You have lost your argument, haven't you? You are not answering me at all". Nope, and I have answered your one sided arguments arguments. Japan had no right to attack anyone and commit crimes against anyone. But this is a different time than when world war 2 took place (the war is over). We have been involved with wars that are a direct result of our allies (the french in Vietnam and or the UN (Korea). The UN is a worthless organization who the United States is the bite for the UN's bark, I want the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US. I have no problem with Japan revitalizing their military due to the threat China poses, they are dangerous and actually been our enemy since the Korean war and they were supplying the North Vietnamese with weapons to use against us. I have believed for years that the "Cold war" was never over but that it just morphed into another phase. I served in the Army under Pres. Reagan and Bush 41(including Desert Shield/Storm in Saudi Arabia and Iraq) and my uncle who I am named after served in Korea during the war( he was stationed in Japan when the north invaded the south) and my Dad was a WW2 vet.(Italy).

 

CBJapan > dhd123  • 2 days ago 

Well sir, you must be in the generation of my father. My grandfather was WWII vet (China). In Japan, we respect the elders not matter what. And I pay respect to you now that I learned you and your relatives went to wars which contributed to the world stability and peace.

 

In fact there is NOTHING I need to disagree with you. "Japan

had no right to attack anyone and commit crimes against anyone" You are ABSOLUTELY right. And I would like to add explicitly that WE DIDN'T.

 

We attacked not to commit crimes against somebody, but purely to protect our nation. Perhaps you can go back to my previous comment and read the long history. Our military presence in China goes way back to First Japan-Sino War

in 1894 and Japan-Russo War in 1904 where we fought against our existential threat.

 

After the Japan defeated China, Britain, Germany, Russia and France joined in separating China as this cartoon of the day describes.

 

http://bit.ly/1u6ttK5

 

Theodore Roosevelt supported our war with Russia all along and mediated the ceasefire, helping us end the war in victory. He endorsed the ceasefire agreement between Japan and Russia, where we are given rights in northern China.

 

So, those were the ways we got involved in China. We DID NOT all of a sudden decided we wanted to expand our territory and invade China.

 

We escalated our involvement in China due to the fact that our rights, our troops and our civilians were exposed to the increasing threat from violence and communist terror. Our actions were LEGITIMATE.

 

Now, the US military is stationing in Japan and the troops and their families are living here in Japan LEGITIMATELY. What would you do, if all of a sudden, we Japanese decided to physically harm these people?

 

For the rest of your comments, I am in complete agreement (no need to add). UN is a house of anti semitism and corruption. We the freedom loving people should get our of it quick. We have to re-establish our military. China is our enemy. Russia is our enemy. Cold war never ended. Communism and fascism never ended.

 

The US and Japan should confront these common enemies side by side.

 

I guess we are getting close to around 80% of agreeing each other?

 

dhd123 > CBJapan  • 2 days ago 

The US and Japan should confront these common enemies side by side.

I believe we will.

 

 

 

silencedogoodreturns > CBJapan  • 5 days ago 

dufus, the "Soviet Communist Machine" had been in power 24 years before US and UK allied with it to fight Nazism.

 

CBJapan > silencedogoodreturns  • 5 days ago 

You are not answering my questions at all. Well, you can't.

 

 

 

fingerroll  • 5 days ago 

absolutely despicable comment. The Japanese made the Nazi's look like choir boys with their treatment of POW's and civilians. What a dumbazz comment

 

CBJapan > fingerroll  • 5 days ago 

You don't understand there is a cause and a result, not the other way around. POW is not the cause of the war. POW was the result of the war. Atomic bombs on our cities were the result of the war. Likewise, the treatment of the POW was the result of the war. Got it, pal? Thank me for the elementary education.

 

fingerroll > CBJapan  • 4 days ago 

Cause: Japan was murdering hundreds of thousands of people in their quest to take over and enslave the far eastern part of the world; Read "the Rape of Nanking". Effect; the US and other Euro nations tried to prevent it peacefully by sanctioning and freezing their assets so they couldn't keep building weapons and killing people. Cause: Japan woke the sleeping giant by attacking the US at Pearl Harbor. Effect: we kicked your ass in WW2. Cause, Japanese people more than were willing, be it eager, like their soldiers to die for their emperor and were committing suicide to try to stop Allied soldiers when they came in contact with them. Cause leads to effect, Japanese wouldn't surrender and Hirohito ignored warnings to do so, therefore Truman, in order to save millions of lives on both sides of the conflict dropped atomic bombs to hasten their surrender. The years of torture and murder by the Japanese military justified US action. Read Gavin Dawes "Prioners of the Japanese" if you want to see what you're murderous ancestors were like. Your elementary education sucks

 

CBJapan > fingerroll  • 4 days ago 

Cause:

Soviet communists deeply infiltrated US government and manipulated it to move against Japan, meddling in our anti-communist national security business in China and Manchuria. Stalin, wanting to maintain influence in northern China, using his espionage apparatus in US government, urged FDR administration to step up hostility against Japan.

 

Easily manipulated, FDR imposed hefty economic siege against us, thereby responding to Stalin's strong wish… (are you following, pal?) As Hitler broke the non-aggression pact and attacked Soviet Union, Stalin became desperate and ordered communist cells in the US to influence US government to go to war against Japan…are you following, pal?

 

Read "Operation Snow" here http://www.conservapedia.com/Vladimir_Pavlov ... .

 

In response to that, a Soviet agent, Harry Dexter White wrote the ultimatum which is called Hull Note demanding something Japan would never ever possibly accept, thereby conflict between the nations inevitable.

 

Result:

Japan was provoked by the US (communist infested left wing New Deal FDR administration) into attacking Pearl Harbor.

 

By the way, you mentioned Nanjing Massacre. Read carefully this article that I wrote, and tell me WHY Chinese needed to FAKE the photos that they claim to be the evidence of our atrocities. http://conservative.jugem.jp/?eid=403   ...

 

Thank me very much for my education to everybody.

 

fingerroll > CBJapan  • 4 days ago 

Please tell me that you are not suggesting that Japan was not a brutal murderous regime in the first half of the 20th Century. Please tell me you understand that the wealth of information from personal accounts of their brutality cannot be hidden by some innocuous governmental papers and that you are not hiding behind some conspiracy theory. Your people were butchers. Face it. Admit it. You can't hide from it. You CAN try and whitewash it but the truth is the Japanese were disgusting murderous humans who brought on their own peril when they attacked the USA. You can try and blame some commie infiltration if you want but that doesn't cover up or justify the facts that the Japanese military and the whole Japanese culture of that period was grotesque.

 

CBJapan > fingerroll  • 4 days ago 

I am not suggesting. I am declaring that Japan has never been a brutal murderous regime in any history of our oldest history on this planet.

 

For the mental midgets like you, the history starts from 20th century. Well, actually it doesn’t.

 

Have you ever once heard of "Anglo–Japanese Alliance" in 1902? Britain and Empire of Japan went into alliance for about 20 years. Why in the world Britain decided they wanted to do this? Was that because we were a brutal murderous regime? Was that because we were butchers? Well, actually not.

 

Have you ever once heard of "Boxer Rebellion" in 1900 (yeah, the time you think the history starts) where American and European civilians were in danger of massacre by violent uprising? Britain officially requested Japan to send troops

to protect their civilians and we hesitatingly responded to the request and wiped off the violent mobs. All nations - European and American thanked our actions and praised profusely our

military's discipline that did not allow any looting and ransacking to happen. That was the event that lead to the historic alliance between a two great Empires.

 

Look it up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo%E2%80%93Japanese_Alliance

 

Look it up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion

 

Wealth of information from personal account?

 

Do you know back in 1930s and 40s in China, communists led by Mao and fascists led by Chiang were fighting each other? In 1937 Nanjing was held by fascists and we Japan defeated it. Mao's communists later took over the whole country. Mao did

not EVEN ONCE uttered "Nanjing Massacre by Japan" in his life until his death in 1976. Actually, he criticized us for not being aggressive enough.

 

So, what does that tell you about the "PERSONAL ACCOUNT"?

 

BY THE WAY, about the talk of brutality: Have you ever once in your life heard about the Belgium's King Leopold II colonizing Congo and killed more than 8 million people? That began before 1900, so for you, that history does not exist,

doesn’t it?

 

Look it up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_II_of_Belgium

 

 

 

crewchief68 > CBJapan  • 3 days ago 

You are a condescending know it all, aren't you? Americans owe no apologies for their conduct in the Pacific Theater of Operations of WWII. Something the Japanese cannot say.

 

CBJapan > crewchief68  • 3 days ago 

Americans owe no apologies? That's my point, too. I am not asking for that. And, we Japan neither owe a single apology to anybody. We did it right, except for the defeat.

 

crewchief68 > CBJapan  • 3 days ago 

We did it right, except for the defeat! OK, The Allies hanged most of the Japanese war criminals that needed to apologize. That was then and now is now. Like I said, live and let live. Words have meanings that resonate differently between cultures and should be cautiously used when in mixed company.

 

crewchief68  • 5 days ago 

The Prime Minister should talk with his own WWII veterans regarding that BS line. They suffered more than most with that Japanese Bushido honor code crap.

 

CBJapan > crewchief68  • 5 days ago 

You gotta read Allen West's new book "Guardian of the Republic: An American Ronin's Journey to Faith, Family and Freedom" before uttering the word "Bushido" senselessly and make crap out of yourself. He is a great hero and great conservative.

 

crewchief68 > CBJapan  • 3 days ago 

With all due respect sir, Bushido is a toxic word with Americans. Too many suffered by the honorable Japanese atrocities of WWII. Close family and my older Disabled American Veteran friends witnessed the honor first hand on the many Islands of the Pacific. Guadalcanal, Tarawa, Saipan, The Philippines, New Guinea and too many others to list. Live and let live is fine but please understand the Bushido honor code cost many more casualties than necessary for both sides of the conflict. The word Bushido to too toxic to use.

 

CBJapan > crewchief68  • 3 days ago 

Well, pal. Say that to Allen West, the great hero and patriot. He knows what he is talking about.

 

You know what, pal, war is an atrocious, brutal and merciless business. The US fought mercilessly and Japan did so, too. We did everything we could to WIN the war and you did, too, including nuclear bombs.

 

That's why I am saiyng "GET OVER IT". We are friends now and that's enough.

 

crewchief68 > CBJapan  • 3 days ago 

I agree. I respect Allen West but even with those of like minds there are sometimes differences of opinion. I like to use the term, 'respectfully agree to disagree'.

 

CBJapan > crewchief68  • 3 days ago 

Seems we came to an agreement point. That's how conservatives become friends. Have a nice weekend, pal.

 

crewchief68 > CBJapan  • 3 days ago 

Thank you and likewise for you

 

 

 

jmjoker  • 4 days ago 

"honor" in japanese means gang-raping 12 year old girls so violently that they die, its slashing open pregnant women and ripping out their fetuses as they scream- Yes, Japanese soldiers were "honorable" and great human beings, yep-

 

CBJapan > jmjoker  • 4 days ago 

That is what Chinese do. Take a look how we Japanese were brutally slaughtered by Chinese thugs http://blog.goo.ne.jp/takeutihirokuni/e/d4ed30ed1bb0bee2610e1ff5f8c5b1cb

 

 

 

MaxLecompte  • 4 days ago 

Isn't it time to move on? I congratulate Mr. Abbott for showing us how. And I'm sick of hearing Chinese whine about it.

 

CBJapan > MaxLecompte  • 4 days ago 

It is indeed time to move on whatever feeling one might have about the past war. Both sides suffered and both sides felt misery. We do no want to repeat it and that is enough.

 

 

 

CBJapan  • 4 days ago 

Those who say "Nanjing Massacre" by Japan, take a gooood look at this photo and see what's wrong.
 
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アメリカの保守の沢山方、またデニス・プレーガーまでもが抱いている日本像に落胆しました。私の祖父は100歳。中国で戦争を経験後3年間ロシアで捕虜となりました。確かに日本兵の行った行動は残忍だった事もあったと思いますが、戦争という世界の誰もが狂気になりえる中で兵士たちは自国を守る為に戦ったまでの事。私は祖父、彼らを讃えてあげたいです。現実的ではありますが起きてしまった事は振り出しには戻せません。過去からの惨事から学びjust move on !! 最近ではアメリカについでカナダでも従軍慰安婦の問題が取り上げられて来てます。あまりにも事実を歪曲した記事ばかりで知人に質問を受ける度に自分なりに対応。イスラエルでの問題やらこうした日本での問題、少々疲れ気味です。。。
  • maya
  • 2014/07/26 10:45 PM
Maya様、またもコメントありがとうございます。 おじい様がロシア抑留を経験されたとのこと、大変辛い思いをされたと思います。

デニス・プレーガーは私も尊敬しておりますが、折に触れて日本についてかなりnastyなコメントをするため http://bit.ly/1l3glMI のような欄を設けることにしました。

また慰安婦問題でもお困りとのこと。 私はこの記事でニューヨークタイムズの嫌味な報道にあてつけました。 ご参考までにどうぞ;http://conservative.jugem.jp/?eid=409

まあしかし、本来あるべき歴史観を外向けにいくら叫んでも、国内で誤った歴史をしっかり教えているようでは先が暗いですね。
  • CBJ
  • 2014/07/27 2:20 AM
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